//OMG; I had a book typed out and hit one wrong key. //
OH i hate that, and for me, it never comes out as good a second time. Lol, for me, i always end up editting all my posts, as i can't get things out right til about 3rd edit anyway.
Have you tried switching to Google Chrome browser? Helps reduce that, and also tends to 'save' stuff you were typing, you can even "arrow back" sometimes, and re-find your reply.
Chrome is free download, takes 5 minutes, and you can have more than one browser, no need to delete your current browser.
That book looks interesting, i have not read that one. I like the part in your description of the book which said
//The aggression occurs in absence of threat behavior from the other dog: in fact the other dog may be socially appropriate in every way and this dog will still use aggression. //
cuz that is SOooo "Buddy".
//I see her rowdy behavior displays as saying "don't come near me"; not "boy, I wish I could get closer".//
OH, i see, Buddy's are definitely a forward type motion. He pulls towards
the other dog, not away from other dog. So maybe V is not the same thing as Buddy has. at all.
What is it V does when she sees another dog, if you do nothing, or if your attempts to distract her fail? do your attempts to distract V from reacting ever fail? Or, are you having 100% success?
//When she had opportunities to run up to other dogs off leash (generally in class, breaking a stay or doing off leash work - don't do that anymore) //
How long ago was that? That observation, i mean. How old was V back then?
But my point is; I don't see V. as "throwing the first punch" so to speak//
oh, i see. I am not sure, in that one fight i did observe, which dog threw first punch, cuz i was distracted at the exact moment, but, i have no doubt in my mind, my Buddy 'started' it up by his aggressive displays, whether or not Buddy threw first punch, i have no doubt that Buddy instigated the whole mess.
To my mind, a dog displaying an aggressive display, IS instigating the trouble, whether or not he throws first punch.
I completely understand your concerns of possible outcomes of V being offleash and getting into fights, i sure do understand. I think you are wise to prevent that possibility.
//but I know in my gut that with her leashed and by my side around other leashed dogs - the worst that will happen is she'll verbally act like an ass and I'll be embarrassed.//
that is the worst that can happen for me, too. Lol, i've posted those exact words many a time, right here on DTA and on other boards, when trying to help a person who is stressed way out about having a da dog, with my hope being, that those words could hopefully help the other owner see it as not so bad after all. Those exact words.
bet i could find my posts here on DTA saying those exact words, about my saying"what's the worst that can happen?" is we look bad to others. Of course, i'm referring to a leashed da dog, not like, a da dog at a dog park.
When i first realized, Buddy is a da dog, well, back then, i was quite tense and worried a lot, but, overtime, i came to realize, "ey, worst that happens, is, my dog barks around a lot and we look stupid and other ppl glare at us." and then i relaxed very very much, completely.
Nowadays, i still understand and remember what that stress feeling is like, cuz i once had it myself, but, i don't now.
I even chuckle at Buddy, i'm so used to living with a da dog now.
bark, bark bark. that's it. so what? that's the worst that can happen. Buddy is also always with one of us, and goes everywhere we go, too, it is just as you describe, for Buddy, too. Anyone leaving our house, almost always takes Buddy along. If you see us, you see our dog. Buddy also is a perfect lil gentlemen, in public, and even does some informal therapy dog work in local nursing home, goes visiting our friends, even our friends with dogs, goes to parties, boating, picnics, outdoor cafes, in hardware stores, anywhere we go, Buddy goes. Everywhere, Buddy IS with us, he's rarely home alone.
If I had what I considered to be a DA dog; the worst that could happen is another dog would wander in just close enough for mine to grab it by the throat, which would pretty much be it's first reaction//
Yes, the author of this article also seems to think da dogs go instantly into kill mode, but, mine doesn't, and i know lots of other da dogs who also do the typical posturing/signalling/escalation. LIke i said, with bunnies, yes, yes, my dog goes straight in for the kill.
but, with facing unknown dogs, Buddy begins with laser-hard focus, eyes hardening, scarey looking changes in facial expression, body stiffening, often escalates to slight crouch, etc etc.
Even the few times a dog approaches Buddy, it's not "straight for a bite" and i can remove Buddy. Buddy still stiffens with a closeby dog, but, i just remove Buddy away, it's not impossible to do.
lol, i tend to be pretty darn good at keeping my dog away from unknown dogs. It's a pretty rare event for an unknown dog to get that close to my dog. Not an impossible event, but, hardly ever ever happens, and those are usually offleash dogs.
In places like Petsmart, i tend to go during quiet times, and take care to avoid other dogs. I keep those visits short, as Buddy gets too tense/too overly excited, after only a few moments in there.
If anyone with a dog tries to approach us, i call over "My dog bites." which tends to keep them away.
(if i say "my dog doesn't like dogs" does not work, they smile and reply, "but my dog is friendly" and keep coming
The handful of times an offleash dog has approached us, (one of the few times i ever feel stress over Buddy) it has gone well, but, that might be sheer luck on my part.
There was nothing i could do, as an offleash dog came to us, nothing. Yet, on a few of those times, Buddy did send the other dog packing/leaving, the other dog moves away from Buddy, as any smart dog would, sometimes offering sniffs in the grass to calm Buddy as they leave away, too.
and on a few of those times, Buddy decided he was in love with this dog. That is how Buddy met and fell in love with his pitbull girlfriend, was, she was a rude dog and rushed him, nose to nose,
Buddy looked like a cartoon, with heart-shaped eyes popping out of his head, and he immediately layed down, in a soft relaxed sphinx pose, gave her soft eyes, and smiled, and he's loved her ever since.
whew, right? But, it was young female, one of Buddy's favorite types.
Buddy memorized that pitbull's address, and on walks, Buddy whines and sits down in her yard, staring at her house, and hopes to see her. A lot of times, the owner sees Buddy and brings out Maddie so they can kiss around for a while.
Another time, a woman was frantically chasing her dog, who rushed my dog, not nose to nose, but, did stop a few feet away, and after some moves, the two dogs liked each other. When the woman finally caught up with her dog, i told her we were lucky, as my dog is a da dog. She said, "so is mine. He fights all dogs." and she apologized profusely, and we were both shocked out of our heads as our dogs played with each other.
so we took our dogs and left, in case they changed their minds, but, wow, eh? two da dogs who got on together!?
Buddy has never ever bit another dog when he is onleash beside me, never. NOt that he wouldn't, nope, nope, it's just i can control his world, and i can control his access to other dogs.(usually)