Won't Stand Up For Step Up

Discussion in 'Training Challenges' started by tylerthegiant, May 11, 2013.

  1. brody_smom Experienced Member

    I don't consider him big, 24" at the shoulder, 54 lbs as of one month ago. Haven't weighed/measured lately. But strong when he wants to be, that's for sure! He is a lovely boy, most of the time.

  2. brody_smom Experienced Member

    I thought it would be easier for them to keep their feet on it if it was higher. For the next part, the moving around, do you just lure her as you move around, like for a "roll over" only standing up? I started doing it this way, and it worked okay, but I'm not sure it's going to get the end result I want. His head is turning too much before his feet follow.
  3. sara Moderator

    I did lure this, but At first, I stayed in front of Oliver and I moved, so Oliver had to move his back feet to keep facing me, then I slowly started luring with my hand, in the same way you teach a spin, then phased out me moving, until Oliver had learned to spin completely around the book with his back feet.

    In hind sight though, (it took FOREVER to phase out the hand signal, he was so dependent on the luring,) I would teach this only through Shaping... I'm really not liking luring at all anymore.
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  4. brody_smom Experienced Member

    I've heard that shaping becomes a lot easier once your dog has learned a few behaviors to offer. Luring is probably a lot faster than shaping before your dog knows how to think.;)
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  5. tylerthegiant Well-Known Member

    I am still having trouble on the smaller items getting her to KEEP her feet on there. She's not getting it, and moving her feet off before I give the release. I think I need to back up to bigger items, and then see if I can find items somewhere in the middle between a coffee table and something small and flat on the floor. I don't know what else to do...........
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  6. brody_smom Experienced Member

    Are you getting her to move yet, or just stand with paws up? I have tried both luring and shaping to get him to elephant walk around the stool, but neither has worked really well. If I just move my hand, he moves his head too much before his back legs follow. If I shape him, he just takes two or three steps left, then two or three steps right. He wants to be facing me, so the best way is for me to move around facing him, and he will follow. I don't hold any treats, I click and treat him every quarter way around. I don't have a hand signal yet, but I don't want to use the same one as "spin", as he will hop right off the stool.
  7. threenorns Well-Known Member

    i'm not an expert on great danes, but i do remember reading somewhere that it's not good to encourage deep-chested breeds to roll because of gastric volvulus (their stomachs kinda hang loose, as opposed to the tightly secured guts of the narrower-barrelled breeds, so it's easy for it to flip).

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