//"My timing is already a bit clumsy WITH the clicker, WITHOUT the clicker is just AWFUL"// yes, i also have trouble with timing now and then, and honestly, there are A FEW things, i am NOT adept enough with a clicker to use the clicker for training. Most tricks and cues, YES, i use a clicker. but every once in a while, i find myself clicking too soon too often, or even being unsure of exactly what i want to click and so every now and then, i skip a clicker. I had trouble with "hold" "take" "stay" and some other cues, knowing when to click. Every now and then, not often, but occasionally, i find i have to train a cue here or there, without a clicker. but, i read others used their clickers for same cue, so i know it can be done, but i just couldn't do it. and timing gets easier, the more you use it, but how funny is it, when you make ONE wrong click, and bam! dog now does the trick wrong!!!!???