//"The show ring has been horribly detrimental to dog breeding and I'm glad the breeds I like are working breeds and get breed because they are fit for purpose rather than the froggy GSDs. Working lines of GSDs are lovely with their straight backs, I just wish that would be classed as the "correct" form for them rather than the frogs."// Yes, i'm so stoked to find a like mind about show rings are not much about dog health or function!!!! i so hear you and understand your words!! Luckily, i do believe, the standard for slopey GSD hips is being corrected back to a more normal dog hip now....but a lot of damage was done... Even some working breeds are getting messed up by showrings, too, and by whatever is the latest fad for the breeds, er, i mean "standard" for that breed. The Border Collie association fought for decades to keep border collies from being "recognized" by the AKC ............but, they lost in the late 90s, and the AKC began doling out AKC papers for border collies ...and set up fads, er, i mean "standards" for the sizes, angles, colors, coats, shapes, etc, for border collies. NOT A WORD about their herding ability, nope. just the LOOK they want in a border collie. it will be the ruin of the breed. For centuries or longer, BCs were bred for their ability, not their look. BCs come in several body types, ("mountain" BCs vs, field BCs, etc there were several historical lines and each was slightly different shape) lots of coat types, etc, but they all shared that urge to herd, that drive, that energy....that mind. but now, breeders can begin cranking out BCs with juuuust the right angle to his nose, juuuust the right proportion of his back to his legs, juuuust the right type of coat, etc etc. and sell them for $1,000s.....THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE now..... another drawback is, dog fans sitting at home seeing a perfectly primped BC walk by on tv, will point and say, "good looking dog, i want one of those!" and end up with a shredded sofa, and it's one more BC in the dog pound.... it might have been better when BCs were not being paraded around in the show ring. I remember that first time a BC was evvvvvvvver in the show ring, first time ever. We sat and laughed, cuz all the other dogs were sitting nicely as the judge walked down the row, but the BC was jumping all around, being a real handful, pulling all over, "lets' go!" and stuff!! We cheered at that BC, "yes! show 'em! show em what a BC is like! Act all up, so ppl wont' want you for a sofa pet!" (NOT that a BC can't be trained to sit calmly on cue, but, we CHEERED that BC acting up in the show ring! no way to know how long he'd sat on some table getting primped for his debut...) The BC association is so so honked off about the AKC finally recognizing border collies, they refuse to allow any AKC registered BCs to participate in their herding competitions. (i might have the exact name of the BC club wrong, sorry).