Again, thank you very much, I'm learning so much it's great! I don't like manipulating Leaf, in fact it's the first time I've done that and feel awful doing so. So I will not do it again - promise! I'll watch for that moment when her hind quarters start to make a turn and also when I click then treat. I sure don't won't to cause her to feel/become unbalanced. LOL Zac's a little more polite, waiting nicely and just pointing to your hand. Leaf will paw/jump/mug me for a treat, she is that food orientated. I try sometimes to lure just using my hand, rather than having a treat in my hand (which has to be held very securely otherwise she will stop whatever we're doing and give my hand a good swipe to knock the treat out of it). Just using my hand works, provided it stinks of treats Again, thank you so much for all your help. Now I know what I'm doing, Leaf will be a very happy girly. And thanks to Zac for being such a good dog and demonstrating so well in the video.