I think it is far more admirable the way your dogs "get it" as i think your way seems to require more brain power than the way i taught Buddy.
cuz we "cheated" by having toybox right under his face, NO WAY could he miss. Buddy got clicked as toy hit the bottom of toybox
, which was right under
and THEN we moved toybox just a bit to the side, so we began to have him turn his head slightly to drop toy in,
and THEN we began to have him have to take a step
to drop toy in,
and so on.
Mayyyybe, if you started with ring-stake right under Jinx's mouth,
so when he drops it, it goes on effortlessly, just almost no way to miss hitting the ring-stake at all.......
and then once he has THAT down pat,
then begin to move the stake out a bit to his side, forcing him to begin to turn his head to hit the stake, and so on??? Maybe Jinx is like Buddy, just not a good aim!?
Needing help to "sink the shot" as hardest part of the trick, but CAN'T miss if it is directly under his chin....???