bha haha!! Don't let Mud hear you say that!!
I have just this week brought home a blue merle cross bitch from a dog rescue centre and I found this post really interesting, I had never heard of a blue merle before and I thought they were a seperate breed. They are the most striking looking dogs and I think mine is totally gorgeous. but I have to say I picked her because of her temperament, she is the most loving dog and fantastic with my two boys. I don't really know much about blue merle's so if anyone can give me any interesting fact or tips it would be much appreciated. she has not yet been spayed and I was wondering if it would be kinder to let her have pups before I do, she would have beautiful pups and would be a great mum I am sure. :dognowink:tx_cowgirl;11715 said:Technically, anyone with a border collie can have blue merles. They ren't a separate breed, and breeding merles to merles is a recipe for health problems for the pups. Blue merles are simply a rare outcome. Find a reputable border collie breeder, and see if they have either a merle stud or a merle bitch. Most breeders will let you reserve a merle puppy before the litter is born, and if they don't have one, they will give you the option of either waiting for the next litter or breeding another pair of dogs.
Find me one TRUE working breeder that breed AND works top trialing blue merle border collies. PLEASE! If you're breeding more than 1-2 litters every year (on an "as needed for working MY own farm or trials" basis), you're in it for more than "preserving the breed". You will not even begin to convince me that the types of breeders than are mass producing pretty candy colored border collies are not primarily in it for MONEY. I've been around this breed (and dog sports) WAY too long to know the truth behind these breedings.krazykaine3;19782 said:Saying that all BC breeders that produce blue merles are only in it for the money is not only untrue, but ridiculous.
The word reputable does not belong in this sentence. REPUTABLE border collie breeders DO breed to preserve the WORKING border collie. The original breed we all love. Not the SPORT collie. The dog that's bred in various candy colors to excel in flyball and agility. THOSE are the breeders you're talking about.Reputable breeders breed to preserve the breed and make each litter a better representation of the breed.
Well, if you think the lines of "border collies" that are blue merle are of the same lines and working ability as the old, REAL WORKING border collies lines, you're dead wrong. The pretty candy colored border collies that the "reputable, responsible" breeders you're talking about are breeding is practically a totally different breed now.Without reputable breeders, breeds would eventually go extinct.
I'm surprised that this sentence is even in the same post as all of the other "blue merle border collie breeders aren't in it for money" babble.Also, a dog that has papers doesn't mean that they came from reputable breeders.
DUH! My point is, MOST of the breeders that breed pretty colored border collies ARE NOT NOT NOT reputable or responsible breeders. They're the very BYBs you speak of, whether you want to believe that or not.Dogs are not in rescues because of reputable breeders and certainly not because people get dogs from breeders. There are millions on dogs in animal shelters and pounds right now because of human ignorance, lack of responsibility, abandonment, puppy mills, backyard breeders and pet stores.
Uh, yeah. Like the breeders that mass produce pretty colored "sport" collies, right? Right. The very breeders you were just defending above.Dogs are in pounds and shelters because of irresponsible mass breeding.
Because the breeder, who cares oh-so-much about the dogs she breeds "to preserve the breed," sold a puppy via a credit card over the internet and shipped it 10 states away to someone she's never met.Dogs are in pounds and shelters because parents gave into their little girl's pleas for a puppy, then she grew tired of the puppy and he was dumped at the local pound.
Yep, you're preaching to the choir here. Remember, I'm the rescuer in this post. Really, I know why dogs end up in pounds. It doesn't answer the real question, though. The question of why, if these breeders are so responsible and care about "preserving the breed," do the dogs end up in pounds and not back with their "responsible" breeders? The answer is because very, VERY few border collie breeders are truly responsible breeders. A VERY small percentage actually breed to PRESERVE THE WORKING BORDER COLLIE (no, that's not equivalent to "sport" collie).Dogs are in pounds and shelters because they made the "mistake" of being a dog. Maybe the dog peed in the house because he was never taught where to go. Maybe the dog chewed up furniture or dug up the garden because he was left alone for 12 + hours a day with little human affection and no physical or mental stimulation. Dogs are in shelters and pounds because people move and are too lazy to look for dog friendly housing. Dogs are in shelters and pounds because a new movie came out and the family wants a dog "just like the on in the movie." Dogs are in shelters and pounds because some people have babies and they "just don't have time anymore." Dogs are in shelters and pounds because some parents want their child to "see the miracle or birth" and then just dump the litter off at the pound when it's all over. Dogs are in shelters and pounds because some people don't spay and neuter their dogs and they get out and have puppies.
Maybe you're not replying to me at this point, I don't know. But I never said that rescue was the only way to go. But I can tell you right now, any blue merle dog you go out and but is NOT bred for the purpose of "preserving the working border collie." It's just not. Whether they want you to believe so or not.Degrading a person and making them feel ashamed because they did not rescue a dog is unfair and uneducated. Responsible people have the right to choose to get a puppy and teach him/her everything. Telling a person that they should feel bad for not adopting a dog would be like telling a person that they are terrible because they chose to have a baby instead of adopt a child.
The speckling in eyes has nothing to do with a merle-merle breeding. A LOT of merle colored dogs have parti-colored eyes and it has nothing to do with their eyesight. This dog is NOT the product of a merle-merle breeding.sara;19896 said:This dog is prob. a double merle you can tell if he actually is by looking at his eyes, if there is any blue spots/speckles he will be a double merle. how's his hearing and eyesight? he's gorgeous btw.. I'd want him if he was deaf!
You're right, I was crossing my info, speckling is a sign of Merle, in dogs that have it but aren't showing much or any except eyes, he looks as if he could be... alot of white, but borders can have that much white normally. If he was an Aussie, however, he would have to be a double, they dont have that much white without being a double... I have been researching Merle on mostly Aussie and Dachshund websites... sorry for the bad info!ruffmuttk9z;20176 said:The speckling in eyes has nothing to do with a merle-merle breeding. A LOT of merle colored dogs have parti-colored eyes and it has nothing to do with their eyesight. This dog is NOT the product of a merle-merle breeding.