Mia isn't too bad at the moment when it comes to biting but can snatch and bite harder when I feed her a treat. How do you train them to take the food/treats gently without snatching?
I used a similar method with Veronica but instead of dropping the treat when she stopped poking at my hand and tying to get the treat, I opened my hand and allowed her to take the treat from my palm. Any additional rudeness or roughness resulted in me closing my fist back up and she only got the treat when she took it gently.
I also taught gentle through bite inhibition. I prefer teeth gently on humans vs. no teeth at all on humans...just personal preference.
I love this idea and used it with Zac without ever needing to drop the treat on the floor.I used a similar method with Veronica but instead of dropping the treat when she stopped poking at my hand and tying to get the treat, I opened my hand and allowed her to take the treat from my palm. Any additional rudeness or roughness resulted in me closing my fist back up and she only got the treat when she took it gently.
I'm not sure I like the idea of encouraging dogs to mouth people, there are too many opportunities for things to go wrong, not so much with the dog as with human perceptions. What if Gus gently mouthed a child? Even my nieces would scream he'd bitten them and the consequences if he gently mouthed a child who petted him in the street don't bear thinking about. I'd say that a dogs nose, lips and tongue on skin are fine but in most cases for the dog's sake I favour teaching no teeth on skin in modern society.I started when she was a puppy, I would allow her to mouth my hands and give her verbal feedback on what was an acceptable level of pressure. I'm not sure how this would work with an adult dog but I'm guessing you could implement it if you had a mouthy dog. (Harder and riskier with an adult though, depending upon how hard of a mouth they've developed.)
Thank you for clarifying, that makes things a lot clearer, I think it is a perfectly valid training step for some dogs.Interestingly Veronica stopped mouthing as she got older and only retained the soft mouth aspects of the training...I'm guessing she just grew out of mouthing in general. Also, she never mouthed anyone outside of the immediate family...and now I can't remember why lol! (In my defense it was 8 years ago). She was socialized ALLOT...but I think she only did the mouthing when she was over-tired and fusing so that was always at home with us, or when we were putting on her collar, leash, coat...which we were the only one's doing that.
I'm in the camp that always points out that the parent should keep the child from abusing the dog and presents the dog's defence when things do go wrong. In that I think we do agree. But a dog is NOT justified a bite for a pulled tail in the first instance any more than he is justified a bite for if someone accidentally stands on his tail, he IS justified in growling like thunder.Plus I may be in the minority here but I never thought dog/puppies of any breed and very small children were a great combination for just the reason you mentioned, as well as accidents occurring because there are people who think their children should be able to do whatever they like to the dog and that the dog should have an infinite amount of tolerance. I am in the minority I know, but I disagree. I think if you touch the stove you get burned, if you pull the dog's tail, you get bit.
In an ideal world I'd do the same with strange children but for Gus to ignore a child would be like him ignoring a giant plodgeable muddy puddle... it is just not going to happen any time soon! So yes I leash him when children are around but I also build in safety just in case and to me letting him think mouthing is okay wouldn't be a good idea for our life style - especially as being half labrador he is actually a very mouthy sort of dog. I do see that in Veronica's case it was fine and with the level of supervision she gets was no problem.But I do agree with you about the perceptions of modern society. Veronica is extremely out-going, loves people and loves to interact with them. But she only does so with my permission, while on leash while I'm standing there monitoring the entire interaction