I have a friend, who is a behaviourist who specializes in aggression. She has helped me with alot of Oliver's issues, and is great support for me. Last night we decided to have coffee, and instead of staying at Timmies (Tim Hortons, the best coffee EVER) we went bact to her house, to let the dogs play. She has an awesome setup in her yard. no grass, all gravel and cement, with kennels set up in one part. Her dogs were all kennelled up when we came through the gate. I immediately let Ollie, Mouse and Boo off to start exploaring. Ollie completely ignored the kennelled dogs, so obviously, his aggression is completely and totally fear-based. those dogs behind the fence are no a threat, so he could get on with the serious buisness of marking THen 2 at a time, she let out the other dogs... 2 Poms first, Ollie ignores, then a Frenchie and a Sheltie, which Ollie had a sniff, then ignored, then her BC, and S. Poodle... there's where the tension escalated, but no grumbles, and no reactions... finally the Lab... Ollie was very obviously nervous, but he settled in quite quickly, and was even playing with the other dogs quite happily, he had a bit of a tumble with the Poodle who is MUCH larger than him, he played keep away with the BC, and a bit of tug with the lab... but we stayed too long... it got dark, and Ollie had a go at the Lab (he's worse at night) I was kicking myself, I should have left before dark, he's alot more reactive at night. So Ollie can definately socialize, he respects telling off, and he had ALOT of fun... Had I leashed him, totally different story, but off leash, he was really fantastic! The other thing I wanted to say, is that my friend and I have decided Ollie should go into one of her obedience classes (yes, his obedience is good, but he needs the socialization in a controlled area) and I need a trainer who will respect what I'm doing with him, and who'll not do anything to provoke his fears... She was extatic though, when Ollie had no fear of her today, and was quite happy to get pet by her... but she's completely ignored him, and never tried to touch him... he's very comfortable with her now I phoned her last night to see if she had any classes, that's how the coffee thing came about... she agrees with me, so Oliver will be going to classes soon... and in the fall... CANINE FREESTYLE! With that same trainer. She's really impressed that he's got all the moves already, he just needs sharpening up and some distance... which I cant do here... so he's on his way! My friend was really impressed with how far he's come!