Don't ya hate it when you get PROOF that your dog is smarter than you are? I've been working with "spin" for a while now. Not straight time or anything, but off and on. It's included in Bosun's "routine of tricks". Well, he has the hand signal down pat. I couldn't get him to perform the act without the hand motion. It had me stumped. Now he's a sight hound. We do a lot of our outdoor stuff by signal only. I teach him both words and signals. I personally think signals are more impressive to outsiders, yet easier for the dog. I couldn't figure out why he wouldn't release his dependency on the spin hand signal. Then 10 minutes ago it gob smacked me!!!! My clicker timing has been off. I was clicking the completion of the spin, not he beginning. So I was clicking him facing me... so when I said "spin" he faced me... sometimes... I wonder, how this boy ever learns anything! I can hardly wait for hubby to wake up so I can practice this. Pretty sure he'd not find the joy in training by being woken to the clicker! Really there's only a few options about what could be going wrong in training.... and usually it's human.