Well, if a dog only knows the basic 4 or 5 tricks very very well, over the course of a few years, that most every dog knows, maybe you could continue on with teaching more tricks,
and explore what regular daily training might inspire in this dog!! who knows?? *Might* be too soon to for you to make a final judgement on whether or not luring *might* indeed inspire your dog to become creative if he has only learned a few tricks over the years.
My dog probably knows upwards of 70 tricks and cues, it HAS helped him become quite a "thinker" and very creative. But, i kind of suspect, if he had NOT been rewarded for alllllll these other "odd" behaviors------ALL THE TIME---then it *might* not have occurred to Buddy to think that offering up similar types of goofy behaviors might earn him some treats,
as he would have had no concept of being rewarded for doing goofy things
//"...........and we've practiced spin also but I dropped it to favor leash training."//
Glad you are working on the leash walking! Took me forever, hope you are faster than i was! ha ha! don't worry, most eveyrone else seems to have conquered leash walking much faster than my dog and i took to become good at it.
I was surprised how much persistence that one took for *me* and my dog, but, i may have been making mistakes, especially at first..i do think my dog and i took way longer than most ppl need to "get it right"
It's perfectly okay to teach a trick, as well as work on your loose leash walking, all on same day. It's even okay to work on more than one trick in a week, so long as the two or three tricks are not similar. Like a dog could be learning "smile", "spin" and "come" all in same week. Maybe not back to back, but, maybe at 8am, do a lesson of "smile", and at 5pm, do a lesson of "spin", and at 7pm, do a lesson of "come" to help improve his recall around distractions or from distances.
//"I'm not sure if I want to keep teaching behaviours with luring if then it'll be quite a hard time to get him to think.
I'm not exactly certain why you have decided this is "true".(???)
I still disagree., as i explained in my last post. I think teaching multitudes of tricks very well might inspire a dog to think and become more creative.
I know many many members here are very fond of shaping tricks,
but, i do not think we have any members here who ONLY
It's pretty difficult to get a dog to shake his head "no", do agility, pick up all his toys, stay, retrieve named items, have razor sharp recall, heel, etc, by shaping alone. Most everyone i know, thinks tricks training does improve a dog's mind, his intelligence, his ability to undestand that odd behaviors are reward-able.
I feel bad you have somehow got the idea that tricks training will prevent shaping tricks, as most dogs can do both. If you DO have a dog who is not into shaping, and never ever will be even if he had a chance to become very very very familiar with the concept of being rewarded for odd behaviors--------well, skipping teaching him a multitude of other useful cues and tricks, like "come" and "heel", won't really help such a dog.
And i do think learning tricks help dogs get the notion,
that "odd" things, if offered, might earn a reward.
My dog does offer odd lil behaviors if given a new item, and even looks up at me, to see if i "like" it, but, prior to being rewarded for OTHER odd behaviors, daily, for years, he never did this....wouldn't have crossed his mind.
He had no concept of being rewarded for odd behaviors, at all.
I do think learning fairly complex tricks (more than sit or spin) does indeed, require the dog to think. Especially multi-step
cues, like, "Go find your toy duck, and bring it to me", or "get a beer out of the fridge", etc etc.
But i so agree, that all dogs do have unique personalities, i agree so very much! And it might be your dog won't ever offer shaped behaviors, ever, but, most dogs will, but, maybe not all dogs. But there are other members here, with very dependent dogs, or even shy dogs, or nervous type of dogs, who still can do shaped behaviors.
But, it's fine if we disagree, not all our dogs are the same, and not all of the human's opinions match, ha ha!!! And if you have made your decision, to halt traditional tricks training, as you have decided it wills somehow stunt your dog's ability to "think", (??)
that IS your right to believe that. Like our dogs, we humans are all unique individuals as well.
and yes, dogs can smell some emotions, but i think my dog uses far more than his nose to decide who is feeling what mood. He also uses his ears, dogs even note some breathing patterns, (sighs, or very fast breathing, or yawns, are all cues to dogs, for example)
and he knows the usual tone and cadence of speech,
A dog uses his eyes, and knows facial expressions, even the shape of your eyes is a clue to him,
and the dog observes our body moves
and speed and strength of our body moves and postures,
a dog can use way more than just his nose to determine the mood of his humans.
If you run through the room, talking rapidly in a high pitch voice, and waving your arms about, your dog won't have to smell you to determine you are very excited about something.
It's great you do take a break if you are getting frustrated, excellent decision!
BEST OF LUCK with your shaping tricks!! HOPE YOU ENJOY THIS WEBSITE, there are many videos of dogs learning tricks around here for inspiration!!!