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Training of my 2yr Corgi, Lance, and my Toller puppy, Vito. My goals are competitive obedience and agility with both dogs, and possibly flyball and/or disc dog with Vito, and training him for hunt tests as well!
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He Levitates!?!

Posted 04-19-2009 at 10:28 PM by fickla
Updated 04-20-2009 at 10:21 PM by fickla
Vito and I have made great progress with our retrieving work. He will bring a toy thrown back to my hand 95% of the time (not always when other dogs are around) with no reward other than a game of tug or just another throw. Even with plastic, leather, and metal dumbbells he will run after and bring it back (I use treats for dumbbells to make it extra cool!). So I have no regrets (yet) about my decision to allow him to roll the dumbbell into my hand at first and then raise the height of my hand so he can't roll it anymore.

Some background info- I originally made that decision after having immense difficulties with Vito consistently dropping the dumbbell (or toy, pen, etc.) 2ft away from me and me having a hard time gradually clicking closer and closer deliveries. But Vito did understand hand targeting and with my hand on the floor liked to roll it to my hand an inch away. I was quickly able to progress and was soon having my hand off the ground and Vito picking it up to give it to me!

However, now I am working on more of a hold but we have ran into a slight problem. Either the dumbbells are made of helium or Vito is levitating. My plan is to click early, before he has the opportunity to bring any feet off the ground. But it really is an instintanious lift off, so I still end up with at least one paw off the ground. He is trying so hard!!!

I've been looking at my body language to see if my leaning forward to give him the dumbbell is too much pressure and causing him to want to move back, but standing straight or even kneeling doesn't make a difference. I've also tried not letting go of the dumbbell as is recommended by Sue Ailsby, but I've never been able to make much progress with getting even a 1/2sec hold with that route on either Vito or Lance. So I'm trying to decide if I should just keep trying to click early and so what if he levitates, eventually the law of laziness (there some name for this, but I can never remember so I make up my own name) will lead Vito to do less and less of a lift off. The downside being obviously that laziness might not take over and since what you reinforce is what you get....

He does look cute though!

(see The Dogs Are Really In Charge: He Levitates!?! for some pictures of levitation)
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Posted 04-20-2009 at 05:46 PM by running_dog running_dog is offline
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Vito is really cute! I couldn't treat train my dog to retrieve. He just isn't that keen on food but he loves to chase so now retrieving is his reward for doing other stuff. He never levitated though - I guess he's too laid back.
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Posted 04-20-2009 at 10:16 PM by fickla fickla is offline
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Vito does love to retrieve which is why I didn't need treats to train an informal retrieve. But I'm trying to teach him the formal obedience retrieve which involves a sit in front, no mouthing, hold dumbbell comletely still until I say "give", even if I'm touching the dumbbell. So I'm obviously starting slow and just working on the sit. the problem is getting an actual sit and not what looks like a "beg" with dumbbell in mouth!

And yes, Vito is anything but laid back!
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Posted 04-21-2009 at 01:56 AM by tx_cowgirl tx_cowgirl is offline
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ROFL.

xD My apologies. You're right; it is adorable.

Would stepping into him make a difference? Not actually running into him, just stepping towards him so that he has to either put his paws down or jump on you, which I don't think he would do in that situation because it's not really the natural reaction. A video of exactly what you two do to work on the retrieve would be helpful. Might be able to catch something that one of you is doing.
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Posted 04-21-2009 at 10:07 PM by fickla fickla is offline
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Thanks for the advice! Unfortunately I just tried leaning into him, adn then even taking a step into him but that just caused him to almost do a backflip! Those front paws REALLy want to stay in the air, he just leaned backwards as far as he could till he fell over! Or when I took a step he dropped the dumbbell and stood up. I'll have to get a video to show you guys
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Posted 04-22-2009 at 02:14 AM by tx_cowgirl tx_cowgirl is offline
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Dern. Well if you get a vid up maybe I'll have something to tell you. Lol! If not, then heck...you'll have a really creative retrieve.

Well, you tried stepping into him, why not stepping away? Take a step back or to either side so that to be in front of you he has to move. Click when his paws hit the ground. This could develop a habit of stopping a little short, but that's a heck of a lot easier to fix than an upper-level retrieve. Lol! Hope that's clear. If it doesn't make sense feel free to ask.
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