I've taught this a thousand times, but this is the first time using clicker. When do I click; at the end...during...some where else?
The click represents that what they are doing right now was what you were looking for and now that behaviour has ended. So click towards the end of the behaviour for a stay, but obviously when they are still staying. So say start off for 5 seconds, if they are still staying at 5 seconds, click treat, and then start again for 6 seconds, stills staying, click treat, etc.
Well, JoAnne - my first thought is, good for you, when you see him just starting to chew on the lid and unable to be redirected (maybe getting frustrated or tired?) you'll give him something easy then quit. Some people wouldn't pick up on that, and keep trying, pushing for some success. Click and chocolate for you!!!
I'm trying to visualize this whole scenario - you said sometimes he stops and looks at the bench first (yes!!) - do you ever just throw a big party right then and encourage the tar out of him and just keep 'that's it, right there, come on, come one, come on, you can do it, come on.......' and see if you can kind of pull that one behavior out of him right then? Or is the bench rim a bit high for him (right now) to drop it into? If so, could you make a little step so he could have easy access? Easy may not be pretty, but if it works better for the dog, it may be better for now. Does he need a little step up? Trying to picture your set-up.
Just re-read the whole post - but went further back, I got caught up in the last post and forgot your orig question. Once he's got the whole concept, you could use something like "bring or pick" for things to bring or pick up *for you* verses "go take" or "go drop" or whatever words you determine, for taking your clothes to the bench - and that would cover picking up a dropped sock, etc - your "pick up" would mean to/for you, verses "go drop" or "go take" (or whatever words you opt for) meaning place in the laundry bench someplace else besides your hand. I'm sure you have words you use for him to hand you things. I've trained mine to pick things up and hand them to me if I drop them or ? (just cuz it gives them a job) and I use "pick up please" and they know they pick it up, and hand it to me, whether it's a pen, or a sock. So a different word - "go take, drop, laundry, etc ... " would be a different command, meaning, .... to the laundry bench.
I do caregiving for someone with 2 Goldens. She has trained them herself to be her service dogs. They're not certified, but they know so much and are so much help around the house (that's what got me so motivated to train mine more!! holy cow!!). Anyway, she lives in a two story house. One day, she had asked me to run an errand, and she was upstairs. Just wanting to see if she could do it (and kind of knowing in our hearts that she could), she gave a $20 bill to one of the Goldens (the gal was at the top of the stairs, I was at the bottom) - and she said, go on, go give it to Jackie, go ahead...". She took it so delicately in her lips, and came right down the stairs to me and stopped - oh man, big treats!!! When I got home, we tested the waters again, I sent her back upstairs with a $5 - go on, go give it to your mom ... and she raced upstairs with a $5 in her mouth. C/t. I then called her back down, and sent her up with a small bag. More treats!! (Her dogs are always paid well!!). So - moral of the story, depending on the situation, they do "think" and they can determine what/where you want them to deliver things. It takes time and a lot of work.
Do keep working in small little pieces. You'll figure something out that will work for him (and you) so that he understands it, and he'll have that ah-ha! moment. And you'll get all teary and excited, all at once - cuz that's what we do.
PS - glad you're liking The Thinking Dog - isn't it great? I still thank Gail to this day for helping me with a few issues with my girl. She's a wealth of information.